April 28, 2004 3:02 PM
who's the idiot that thought putting highschoolkids on a college campus was smart?
April 28, 2004 5:42 PM
I find it disturbing the SFSU police are playing 21 Jump Street on are campus. Why are the campus police posing as undercover officers?
April 28, 2004 7:05 PM
I wonder, did the CSU Pig Herd also have their Hommeland Securrity digital cameras profiling the 14 year olds like they do every SFSU political activist? How about the nifty little disposable Kodak cameras, were the pigs taking illegal surveillance shots of teenagers this time? Of course, they deny surveillance even when they're in your face taking your picture.
Speaking of budget cuts... how many pigs did it take to apprehend a 14 year old? How much is the CSU cutting in their police force? Oh, that's right, they get fed dough.
to anonymous - Thank God that SFSU has programs with the local school district. The whole idea of this university is to give back to its community. There are private institutions for fools who think otherwise.
Samson - Undercover, exactly! What do these fools think they're doing on our campus?
April 28, 2004 7:09 PM
Oh yea, I almost forgot. Good coverage Elvira! Great piece, and I hope you can do a follow-up before the end of the semester. Thanks!
April 28, 2004 7:32 PM
why are people making such a big deal out of us High school kids on campus?!
anonymous- u need to take time and learn to know one of us before u think it's smart and say that we High school kids aren't allow to be on the campus!!!!
April 28, 2004 8:42 PM
F**K THE MOTHAF**KING POLICE MAN, THEY SOME MOTHAF**KING PIGS, DUMBASSES
April 28, 2004 8:54 PM
Thats fucked up wut they did to my freind he didint do shit he was just viewing a fight wen some fat ass white pig came and arrested him just cuz he was black that fucken cop is hella raceist hez probleby in da mutha fucken KKK white ass faget i hate fat police men
April 28, 2004 9:05 PM
look here mutha fuckas just cuz hes black dont mean he eat watter melon with chicken and kool aid mean hes a fucken criminal me and m.... go way back like a caddilac with four flats and he aint a bad kid he koo but fucken cops deez day wanna jump people just cuz they got doghnnuts ..THATS FUCKED UP SHIT !!!1
April 28, 2004 9:12 PM
Thanks Samson and undesired for your support! anonymous, what is so wrong in sharing a learning environment with your community? Where else are we going to feel safe when our peers get jumped by the cops? I can't believe that even with all the budget cuts, there are still enough money to hire pigs who harass kids.
April 28, 2004 9:13 PM
Your professors must be beating themselves over the head if they've read any of these posts.
April 28, 2004 9:19 PM
We're just standing together to show how much this has affected us and showing them that THIS CANNOT BE LEFT ALONE UNTIL SOMETHING IS DONE!
April 28, 2004 9:31 PM
Jay Davies who are you talking to?us or yourself? and anonymous the person who wrote first whats wrong with us being on the campus it's no like theres a sign that says we're not allowed there and whats so bad with us being there? Just different grades here but still it's a school....and us students just want to be heard and make sure that this don't happen to any of our students again WHATS WRONG WITH THAT? i don't find anything wrong
April 28, 2004 10:05 PM
5 officers for one 14 year old. Alright UPD, way to go. You really made an example out of this kid.
Y'all must be pretty lame if you can't take care of a 14 year old w/out resorting to violence...
UPD is pathetic, no wonder your working at a university, you would never make it being a real cop.
Also, Corrigan, UPD is where you might wanna look to make some cuts next. But you won't, 'cause you enjoy cutting harmless athletic programs.
April 28, 2004 10:15 PM
First of all, fuck the police, second of all i appreciate everybody who is supporting my friend, just to be correct he is 15 not 14. anyway thank you everybody
April 28, 2004 10:40 PM
Dude, the police force is like...too harsh. Their only 14-year-old....u make mistake, they make mistake, everyone does! don't needa like kill them to teach them a lesson....
April 28, 2004 10:48 PM
look i did not write none of that stuff down who ever did it better stop messing with me because im going to be in alot of trouble
April 28, 2004 10:51 PM
I am a teacher at June Jordan School for Equity. I'd like to say that if the people posting these racist, homophobic comments are in fact our students, then they should be ashamed of themselves. That kind of language does not represent our school or its students, and it lowers us to the same level as the police officers who beat up a teenager for standing peacefully on the steps outside his high school. JJSE students, if you are reading this, please express yourself in ways that would make yourselves, your school, and your families proud. Tell people how you feel about this incident, tell them that you need their help to make sure the police are brought to justice, and tell them that you want them to help create a world where violence -- in either words or actions -- is no longer acceptable.
April 29, 2004 2:08 AM
What is this teaching the youth of today? How can that kid have attacked a cop if he was walking away? Not only are there witnesses there is photographic evidence. What can the police actually try and say to that? Not only is this an example of the white supremacy ideology, it shows you the exact reason why the youth of America say, "F*CK THE POLICE!" When are the cops in the papers for acts of bravery and actually doing something good for the Black community or any community? What happened to communication? How about addressing the youth with some respect so that they can respect you(Police Department)? You can't just beat people up and think they are just going to start buying Krispy Kreme's for all the officers. This is ridiculous! I would like to see some action taken against all the officers involved. Those guys ought to be fired, and the students should put them on trail for that sad attempt at being a peace officer. There was no peace in that violent attack. This is American hypocrisy at its finest. I AM DISGUSTED AND OUTRAGED, and I was there!
April 29, 2004 7:43 AM
I would just like to study quietly...but the juveniles have made this an impossibility in my building. It was a beautiful, new building, and now its is completely trashed.
The noise all day is horrendous, and the cussing is nonstop. The children are unsupervised by the non-existent teachers, and they run rampant, and this in a building designed to empower and groom new teachers...HOW IRONIC.
You Small School students show NO respect for this University, its students, and facilities, and from your writing exemplars, are clearly not paying attention to your grammar lessons.
Have some respect for yourselves!
I'm no fan of the police, but I heard how you were cussing them out and volumetrically elongating the parameters of truth; if you want the truth, learn the truth and expound the truth!
April 29, 2004 8:25 AM
2 student 4 peas hey you don't really know how we are on the inside so don't judge a book by it's cover ok and we're not that bad you just haven't seen the real us you don't even know us well so don't yell at us and disrespect us like that because you college students aren't perfect neither and thats the truth
April 29, 2004 10:17 AM
There is an unquestionable history of police officers, regardless of their race and ethnicity, who purposely target young people of color and harrass them for entertainment. There has always been this tension and disregard for communities of color. So let us not spend time debating that.
As far as students having the opportunity to be on a college campus, I think that is great as long as there's proper supervision. Some of these students may be the first, ever, in their families to even see a college campus and many of them may never make it back. I think they need our support. I hope we can give it to them.
April 29, 2004 11:18 AM
I am embarrassed for some of the high school students who have posted comments. If you have something important to say it would be wise to refrain from foul language and to use proper english otherwise you come across as ignorant and incapable of expressing a sound argument. Secondly, I am appalled at the Gator reporter for her biased article. I am not a fan of the police but if you truly want to pursue a career as a journalist I would suggest you do actual investigative reporting to get all the facts. Some of your information is completely false. Your words will only add to the hype and take away from the validity of pursuing such matters as police misconduct.
April 29, 2004 12:22 PM
I can not believe some of the language that I have read on this post. You Small school for equity students are a real pain in the ass sround here. you guys are always causing chaos around here, this is not a middle school. you say you deserve to be here act like it. All I ever here is "MUTHERFUCKA THIS, MUTHAFUCKA THAT". Believe me, you say we don't want to know you on the inside. What about the little girl that screamed, "that's why people are shooting you" Tell that to Isaac Espinoza's wife and 3 year old daughter. That's why you kids need to go because your ignorant and have no respect for others. Your teachers have no control over any of you. Why don't you try to tell truth for a change. Shouldn't you kids be doing homework or something instead of surfing the internet. All I want is justice for those who deserve it.
I'll be glad when you kids are gone then maybe the campus crime rate will go down.
I know what you are thinking, Shame on me....No No Shame on you!!!!!!
April 29, 2004 1:05 PM
My early comment pertained to the poor spelling. I felt bad that the high shool students' views were being represented so poorly, so I took the liberty of translating an above post by Smiley:
"Look here mother fuckers: just because he's black doesn't mean he eats water- melon with chicken and Kool-Aid, [or] mean he's a fucking criminal. [The Student in Question] and I go way back like a "Cadillac with four flats," and he isn't a bad kid--[in fact], he's cool. [Unfortunately], fucking cops these days want to jump people just because they [the cops] have doughnuts; THAT'S FUCKED-UP SHIT !!!
Post Script: for all June Jordan School for Equity students, my editing services will be available for all term papers and other assignments--at a reasonable price, of course.
April 29, 2004 1:15 PM
its unbelievable what people will believe. first off, the kid struck the police officer, second, charges have not been dropped, 3rd, the "Undercover" cop was wearing his badge around his neck and carrying his handgun. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's a cop, so what if he was in a green shirt? the big ass gold badge around his neck should clued people in that he was an officer.
i find this completely asinine how out of proportion this was. The students were FIGHTING outside of their building, if not physically then verbally. I can find no fault in the officer for walking up to them and speaking to them. When another person grabs hold of your shirt as the kid did to the officer, your first instinct is going to be to defend yourself, so the officer pinned the kid to the ground.
April 29, 2004 4:20 PM
Cheap Oppressive Pigs!
April 29, 2004 4:21 PM
To all the JJSE students: Keep posting on here! Don't let these parents-wannabe fools dissing you in here stop you from doing it. But keep the cussin down, it isn't needed to express that you don't like the police or what they did. What we college students do NEED is to hear your voices and how you feel about the cops. What they did to that JJSE student was WRONG, and you know it, and you have EVERY RIGHT to say that.
To all you fools criticizing the JJSE students for their grammar and expression: Finish your degree and go get a life. Getting online to post comments and try to make fun at high schoolers is an all-time low for a college student. SAd.
And for the ones who claim the article is biased or not true. Where are the weapons of mass destruction, then? Think of it as an essay in class--back up what you claim, fools!
April 29, 2004 4:44 PM
Comment goes towards anon. what are you talking about? who grabbed who? and i think the comment about from undesired maybe one of the best comments i read.
April 29, 2004 5:07 PM
Thank You undesired for supporting us and sfsu students you guys act like YOU NEVER FREAKING CURSE and YOU GUYS KNOW FOR A FACT THAT YOU GUYS ARENT PERFECT NEITHER so don't be saying this and that about our students because you were once a kid too if you don't remember and what do you mean our teachers have no control over us students and all that other BS about us students because you don't even KNOW US so don't be saying things and making things up and TO:an sfsu student with dignity we aint no pain in the ass and for your info we know this is not middle school and you say we always curse well you know what like i said before YOU ACT LIKE YOU DON'T EVER CURSE and you don't even know us so you shouldn't be talking
April 29, 2004 7:00 PM
First of all thank you for all those people who are supporting JJSE students and to some of the SFSU students who are supporting us thank you we really appreciate it.
to students 4 peas- u are totally talking crap! hey! it's ur fault that u came here at the wrong time. And who r u saying that we arn't unsupervised! THINK AGAIN BUSTER!!! WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD TEACHERS WHO ARE SUPERVISING US!!!
u sayin that we got no respect... take a look @ urself! and us not having grammer lessons? HAVEN'T U EVER HEARD OF ONLINE LANGUAGE?!!!
to anon- who do u think u r? the student didn't do nothin! He is innocent and u know it! ur just trippin about it cause ur wanting us to get out of the campus well guess wut buster! think again!
to Jay Davies- we don't really give a care if u edit the comments or not... wut is typed here by the students are real and it's the living proof!
to an sfsu student with dignity - ur the one that that's ironic using the bad language!... We are telling the truth and nothin but the truth and if u don't like wut u heard well 3 words for u buster! DEAL WITH IT!!!
We have the much right as u do to be here! we were invited to be in on this campus! 14 year old act different then college students but we are no criminal! We are students just like u; going to class and doin other stuff! But hey! u know wut?!
we are students just like u tryin to learn and tryin to get our education!
April 29, 2004 7:41 PM
The incident report says the boy resisted and obstructed a peace officer after 20 male and female students were involved in a physical fight in front of Thornton Hall.
YES-ARREST MADE & POLICE FORCE TAKEN AFTER A FIGHT LIKE ANY OTHER PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL!
April 29, 2004 8:06 PM
To: student 4 peas, if you know Burk Hall is designed to 'groom new teachers', then you should also think about how you might end up dealing with some student who aren't all 'angelic'. And FYI, it is NOT 'your' building! My parents pay a lot of taxes every year to keep these colleges going. You shouldn't even be talking.
To an sfsu student with dignity: Look who's talking? On one hand your complaining about our foul languages and you are using the F word yourself. HOW IRONIC. The stuff that YOU hear don't necessary represent ALL of us high school students. You can't even listen to us when we're actually being quiet! You just assumed that all of us misbehave. All I'm asking for from you is just keep an open-mind.
To anon.: I think you should hear all the facts from the incident before making a judgement on it. FYI, my friend didn't even 'attack' the cop. You're setting a bad example for YOUR peers also by using the A-word. Besides, it doesn't take that many cops to control the actions of a high school student. You have to admit that it IS police brutality.
To ALL OTHER COLLEGE STUDENTS WHO ARE GIVING US SUPPORT: Thank you so much for standing up for us and keeping a open-mind about this whole incident. It's people like you guys that can actually help take actions against these injustices.
To EVERYONE ELSE WHO ARE DISSING US: All I'm saying is that as 'mature adults', you guys should know that you should get to know ALL the sides of the story before making a judgement. Also, all you noticed about us JJSE students is our bad sides. You never even paid any attention to our positive sides. It's hard to be in a new environment with people like you, not giving any support and disrespecting us too.
April 29, 2004 8:09 PM
Just adding on a note to the editor and all other readers: If you weren't there at the scene and the only information you got is from this article, I can tell you for a fact that a lot of the information provided are false. For example, there WEREN'T 20 people fighting in front of Thorton Hall. Just because it is in the incident report doesn't necessary means that they are facts
April 29, 2004 8:10 PM
I've read most of these posts, and I'm completely appalled, both by the comments of the SFSU students, and my peers.
First of all, I think that after this incident with the police, violence doesn't solve anything, physical or verbal. To some of the JJSE students who have posted:
I know that there have been problems all year, but all I can say is just to get over them. Things have past, and you're mostly complaining about how the college students see us. After reading some of these posts, I'm not surprised that they see all of our students as a nuisance.
To the college students:
I know that my peers and you guys haven't always seen eye to eye on things, and you do have the right to criticize us, but not to judge us based on the few students who do cause trouble.
What I'm saying is that both sides are right:
The JJSE students don't have the right to blame the college students for seeing how we act and sound outside of class.
The SFSU students do have the right to tell us about their issues with us, because it's their campus, and we are guests here, but not to make assumptions about ALL 100 students, based on the few that fit your accurate descriptions is wrong. We have a lot of gifted and talented people, that are present, but just don't stand out as much as the people who you see as "a pain in the ass."
April 29, 2004 8:22 PM
Right on Candy! I completely agree with you. I do think that both sides have acted inappropriately though. Some of the posts by JJSE students from yesterday are nauseating, and present an embarrassment to the entire school, HOWEVER, it seems like some of the college students who have posted about the student being beat are getting all of their information from hear-say. There were over 50 witnesses! Most of them were YOUR peers who saw the entire thing. I have also noticed many holes in the article, surrounding the victim's age, the witnesses, etc. If that data is false, or sloppily put together, then you shouldn't base your entire opinion over it.
April 29, 2004 9:31 PM
You can talk to Mr. Jake Perea, Collage of Education your self and ask why is there a high school on the campus
To students 4 peas:
Hey I glad to see you have an extensive vocabulary but yet again your name is students 4 peas and state me if I am wrong but your representing students for 4 peas do your group want peas? But I think I got it your trying to same you’re a student for peace is that correct? And “HOW IRONIC” that you learn how to spell in grade school. You should also know that we aren’t the ones who always make noises in Burk hall. Could it maybe your fellow students. Don’t get me wrong but “I'm no fan of the police”
To Concerned SFSU Students and an SFSU student with dignity:
If my fellow student use fowl language that should be fine because that’s how my classmate express them self and I thought all people show have the right to express them self. Also remember that at state it’s very diverse with all different languages. That’s why we have people who take a linguistic major.
I wonder what century are you in because all I see is a person who knows how to pose a message online but believe that the police are there to protect and serve but really have you every witness the police yourself.
Yes I’m a student at JJSE but I don’t see how that’s does issue. How I see it as more like the students are a lot younger then any one on campus and to see all the youth be attack by the adults on campus. After reading what some student from state had to say I feel very wronged by what people thought me. I was always told that an adult is a roll models to children and we should follow them but I was mistaking. The point is that the youth who was involved is my friend was strongly misjudge by how other people see him and that is not right.
I give much support to my fellow students for speaking out: Candy, Bryon, Ramiro, Kristine, Konstantin and other who which want to stay anonymous who have gave there own opinion and have stated their input at a strong injustice that happen on Tuesday.
Last year I was in the summit where we had talk about my school and till this day the problem that I mention are still not solved and I ask you how state student, teachers, professors, and UPD when will it stop.
April 29, 2004 10:26 PM
props to undesired, and all those other people who defend the school. as for all those others who has it out for the school, why must you always hate on the younger generation? why must you 'adults' always push around us 'kids??' cant you 'adults' just leave us 'kids' be? we are after all only 'kids.' you 'adults' may soon have children of your own. i wouldnt be surprised if you hated on your own children just because they were swearing like theres no tomorrow. who cares if 'kids' these days just keep saying 'FUCK THIS' or 'FUCK THAT' as long as they learn when to use the terms. besides, we 'kids' learn from you 'adults.'
one more note to 'student 4 peas.' wut we use now is called 'internet lingo' an' if ur sayin' we should check our grammer, so should u. last note. i must say thanks to all those students who seem to uderstand what we are going through.
April 29, 2004 10:42 PM
I really agree about most of the things my peers have stated. You college students or whoever the hell you guys are shouldn't make assumptions about what happened that day if you don't really know the facts. Like my fellow students have said before, you should try listening to both sides, not just the to the police who beat the student and college students who hate us or think we're annoying and shouldn't be here. Plus, how can you state otherwise if like the other kids have said before, there were a hell of a lot of eye witnesses and photographic evidence?
I think that everyone should keep an open mind about this issue and our school before critisizing the students of JJSE rudely and without having any second thoughts about their opinions.
Also, i don't think the students make a lot of noise on purpose. We're a high school and all still very young! I know it's in a college campus and all, but it's not our fault we are here, is it ? We were invited to stay here with open arms. Plus it's kind of late to complain about our behavior now, so for the time being i suggest whoever has a problem with us just suck it up deal with it.
April 30, 2004 8:55 AM
Unfortunately, the facts are not being expressed in this article! I agree both side should be heard, but this article is completely one sided. There are lies being published in this article, one of which is the age of the student which can be easily verified if reporters do their jobs properly and verify their facts.
I understand that you are high school students and this program is allowing an opportunity you might not normally have. On the other hand, many of my college peers are paying a great amount of money out of their own pockets to attend classes at this school. When the environment is too loud for studying, or to hear lectures in BH our money is being wasted.
We as college students were not given a choice as to this program being implemented on our campus, so if the JJSE feel some resentment from SFSU students it is because our voices were not allowed to be heard on this topic. We were not allowed to express how this would impact the education we pay for here at SFSU.
I am also interested in how many of you witnesses are on the official police report, and if your not.... why?
April 30, 2004 9:45 AM
I agree with everything you stated. Paying as much as we do for tuition, I feel it would have been nice if we (SFSU students) had had a say in whether or not this high school would take place on our campus. Speaking from personal experience, many times I have had to deal with not hearing lectures or being able to concentrate during a test because of how loud it gets in Burk Hall with all these kids. Not all are to blame but all of this has gone too far.
JJSE students: Although you have a right to finish your education, it is a privilege to attend classes on this campus. Yet, many choose not to respect this privilege. This environment is not one where it is okay to get out of hand just because you are young, that is no excuse, this is a university. I also wonder if this incident would have been dealt with and reacted to in the same manner if the officer was of a minority group. I know that if I was attacked or verbally assaulted on campus I would want campus police to get involved. Many who are saying f@#$ cops would probably want the same thing if they cried wolf. Also, it is a given if you do not cooperate with police anywhere you go, you will suffer the consequences. I am not saying that SFSU students are perfect but many of us have been attending school for far too long and paying a lot of money to allow things like this to get in our way.
April 30, 2004 10:34 AM
To answer the questions on why there is a high school in Burk Hall is that this is an experiment by the SF Unified School District and also an idea from the university. It started last Spring(?) when one of my professors who used to head the teacher prep office mentioned that this school is open to underprivilaged (forgive the spelling) high school students from the bad neighborhoods. The institution offers a smaller teacher to student ratio which means more attention is given.
It's sad to see that UPD cops don't have any sensitivity training on youths and were forced to use their batons.
April 30, 2004 10:59 AM
It's sad to see that no one has any respect for the police wherever you may live. I am a person of color, and I was always taught growing up to respect police. My mama was saved from being robbed by some guy by a cop who drove past her as she walked home alone one nite from work. The guy ran, but he dropped mama's purse and the cop drove her home. It's also sad to think that people assume that cops don't receive any sensitivity training, when actually these programs are mandated by the State. And did you see police use batons on the kid who was arrested? No. The article is full of holes. There was no "beating" on Campus. There was an arrest which happened just like any other arrest anywhere else in this State.
Read this: One night I was walking home alone and I was jumped by a bunch of kids. They knocked me to the ground and took my watch. The police found one of them, and damn straight I was happy he got arrested. So stop acting like you're being persecuted. Kids do shit, kids get arrested for shit.
And while the idea for an alternative h.s. is a nice one, it's not practical. In a school where budgets are spread thin, why should all of the resources on Campus be stretched thinner? And how fair is it to coop kids up in an academic building all day? Kids need space to run and release energy. The college grounds aren't the proper place for that.
If you're making assumptions about anyone or anything in life, you're perpetuating hate and ignorance.
The truth shall set you free!
April 30, 2004 1:43 PM
The University Police at SFSU have ALWAYS been there when I've needed them. SFSU is, after all, equivalent to a small city with a population of about 30,000 and they do a fine job of keeping the campus safe and relatively free of crime while working with a relatively small budget and few resources.
If you REALLY think that this kid did NOTHING to deserve this and believe everything that you read, you need to really wake up!
April 30, 2004 3:23 PM
Thank you Bryon Alston, for your reality check on the heterogeneity of your group.
It is so easy for people to get caught in a racist framework, by stereotyping entire groups of people from the actions of a few.
I am troubled by the patterns of most of these comments--especially from sfsu students. You'll act like you were never young! And like profanity never jumped out of your mouths. Cmon, be real. clearly there is a cultural clash here and a whole lot of unfair assumptions being made. certainly, many of these students, need to check their langauge. I agree with that. I rode on a bus with a crew of them recently, and I left shaking my head and holding a finger in my ear. But, I reflected back on my own past and remembered how I spoke--and it wasn't much diffrent than these youngesters. Fortunately, at some point in my young adulthood, I realized that I could get my point across without violent or bad language. They will have their time to grow up to and become mature adults. But let us remember that urban culture, especially today, and that includes movies and music, glorifies this type of langauge. These young folks are following the cultural trends of their generational culture and like we had ours--and our parents and teachers weren't to happy about that--remember? Anyway, mmy point is that judging others is not a useful communication tool. i think we all can let oneanother how each of us feels, respectfully. Even if we are fustrated with eachother and unfamiliar with one another culturally. As long as we stay respectful, we can achieve understanding.
April 30, 2004 4:54 PM
After recieving the news about this incident, I was horrified to think that the student who was arrested was a target for racial profiling. Though it is disturbing, and students should continue to voice their views to the university, I believe that the real issue of concern here is the ongoing conflict between the high school students and the university students. Clearly from reading everyone's comments, it is obvious to me that there is a real seperation between the two sets of students - for racial reasons or not. I think we should work together and listen to each other. We need to compromise with one another if we are both going to continue learning together.
April 30, 2004 5:11 PM
April 30, 2004 5:14 PM
I feel this was very wrong what the police have did 2 my friend and i think they should of handle it more mature WAY. They should know what there doin is only giving the police a bad name.I just wont 2 say 2 student 4 peas that u r very wrong about our school our. teachers r always on our backs. we met be noisy at some times, but i know were not JUVENILES.
April 30, 2004 5:19 PM
Maybe this will help to get those kids out of campus, High school kids don't belong with university students, when you finally thought you where out of high school enviroment you come to SFSU and find annoying kids hanging around, get them out of SFSU.
April 30, 2004 5:31 PM
JAY DAVIES you are the most arrogant, stupid idiot that has ever stepped onto campus. Maybe you should cash in your "services" for some personality and social skills.
April 30, 2004 5:48 PM
2: ANON U WERE NOT THERE SO DONT SPEAK ON WHAT U DONT KNOW AND PEOPLE PLEASE STOP SPEADING ROOMER ABOUT WHAT U THINK THE STORY IS!!!!! AND I THINK THE JJSE STUDENTS ON CAPUS WAS A GOOD CHOOSE 4 WHO EVER MADE IT THANKS!!!!!! SPEAK YOUR YOUNG VOICES AND SPEAK IT LOUD!!!!!!!!
April 30, 2004 6:34 PM
to all you sfsu students who think that we shouldn't be on the campus and think that were ignorant,disrespectful,etc. well we're still kids and NEWS FLASH YOU WERE ONCE A KID TOO and you were ONCE THAT IGNORANT AND DISRESPECTFUL etc. so i think that you guys should just accept the fact that we're still kids and thats the way we are and that we're not ADULTS yet like you guys, that we still have a long way to go in our life and a lot more to learn. why are you guys picking on us anyways?COLLEGE STUDENTS PICKING ON HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS....WOW and SFSU students please stop making assumptions about us high school kids because not all of us is like that and some of the things you guys say is just way out of line like it's so untrue, you guys don't even know us students so don't make all these assumptions that are wrong but i do have to admit that sometimes we are kind of loud but like i said we're still young, we're still kids not adults yet and thats just the way kids are i mean seriously if you get a reality check like i've said before you were once like that too and you know that for a fact
April 30, 2004 7:45 PM
I for one am glad that people are actually stepping up to a mature level and realizing the effect of their comments. However, I do think that people should not only criticize others, but themselves and their peers.
My peers, the JJSE students seem to say the exact same thing over and over again:
"We're kids and we're loud, so just get over it."
The SFSU students are making more sense than they have been in the past couple of days with:
"We didn't have any say in you high school students coming here. What's the point in paying all this money to learn, and not even be able to think half the time?"
I don't to take sides, but the college students are making a better argument. What some of the high school students fail to understand is that we're guests at SF State, but some people treat it like it's our own campus to mess up, when, in truth, it's not. The college students do pay a lot of money, when we pay none, and no matter what anyone says, it ISN'T our campus.
To the college students:
I know that most of the students are telling you to "get over it," and frankly, I can't really argue with you about how you feel, because you're right. But..., you collegiates are adults, so you should be smart enough to know not to pick on those younger than you (especially the ones studying to be teachers in Burk Hall.)
I for one think that the newspaper article has too many holes in it, seeing as how most of the information is false. It seems like some of you base your opinion on the fight and on our school on it. For example:
Someone said in a previous post that all of our students are underprivileged, and come from bad neighborhoods. This isn't true. Even though the point of the school is to recruit students from said neighborhoods, there are quite a few (including myself) who are not. Even though there are other much quieter high schools to go to, I prefer to stay at JJSE. Even though it might not look like it from the outside, we actually have a good school, and I for one, get a much better education than I would at a campus with 2000 students.
April 30, 2004 7:55 PM
This one is aimed at my high school peers who use "internet lingo," or online slang:
Please stop using it in THIS forum. It just makes our student body look like idiots who need hooked on phonics. I think that if you do, and if you stop cursing, then you might get a little bit more credibility from the college students, and the adults, that you claim "'r always on your backs."
April 30, 2004 8:09 PM
I seen the whole thing it was so funny the way the police whipped his ass. he should of sock his fat white ass and he got deeped on the floor and they really started wopping his ass like he was rotney king son or some shit. but i do want to say FUCK THE POLICE AND FUCK THE CRACKER WHO DID THIS.
April 30, 2004 8:11 PM
To student 4 peas:
Even though I've tried to remain neutral throughout this argument, I must say that you bring down the entire integrity of the college students which you you are speaking for. I think you are a hypocrite who is judging our entire school only on the actions of a couple of students. I'd like to sit down and speak with you face to face, but I'm afraid that your ATROCIOUS lack of conscience is contagious. If I were like you, and judged all of the SF State students based on your previous statements, then I'd probably call the police and have you beaten for walking to class. Happily for me, I am not. By the way... have a nice day.
April 30, 2004 8:26 PM
To sh*ty sh*t sh*t,
First of all, what's wrong with you?! Haven't you read or even understood anything from these previous posts?
(If you are a college student, then I admire you for passing the second grade.)
(If you are a JJSE student, your post is one step closer for the "sh*ty sh*t sh*t" to hit the fan for our students and faculty.)
Whoever you are, you should be ashamed of yourself.
*** If you are a college student, especially one that hates JJSE, then you should feel EXTREMELY stupid and immature, because I, a fourteen year old, can get my point across without cussing, and being grammatically correct. How's that for a stupid, underprivileged, immature high school kid who shows no respect for others.***
April 30, 2004 8:49 PM
To the SFSU students who thinks that we are interfering with your education: Please remember that you people were lucky enough to have a good education that brought you to college. You paid your own tuition for your education right now, just like our parents are paying taxes every year to the government, in which some of the money goes to colleges. We, in a sense, are paying for our education also. Don't forget that your tuition are not the only money that is keeping you in school. If it's not for the taxes, you wouldn't be having these beneifits either. And for those who thinks we are too loud, I was at the API Heritage Day Conference today organized by the ASU. They invited students from other high schools (Burton, Wallenberg, Washington, etc.) to attend the workshops. As we were walking through the hallways of HSS and the Business building, I noticed that the noise level there were loud also. These other school students are mostly older than us JJSE students. You see, it's just the way high schools are. Like many people said on the comment box, don't act like you were never young and have never cussed in your whole life. It's just the way our society is today. Don't blame all of us for all the faults you find.
April 30, 2004 8:56 PM
To Jay Davies:
I am a student at June Jordan for Equity, and I've taken complete offense to your post "offering your services." I'd like to let you know that the "abomination" which you are speaking about isn't needed by myself, nor many other students at the institution which I attend. I do believe that your attempt at a "sycophantic" personality mirrors how you are in real life, and captures the essence of how you will turn out after you graduate from college in about 12 or so years, after you get finished translating this post into your vagrant language. In conclusion, this post just goes to show you that you don't have to be a student at a measly state college to write a perfectly good post. By now, you're probably face first in your dictionary, but I can help you translate... free of price--of course.
"Your degrading demeanour towards people that you don't even know doesn't justify your obvious lack of self worth. If you want to talk trash, find a shrink--at a reasonable price of course."
Have a nice day,
April 30, 2004 9:13 PM
From all the comments I've been reading in here, it seems to me that we have moved the topic of police brutality of a minor to the relationship between SFSU and JJSE students. I understood perfectly how both sides feel about each other and am often caught between both. All I can say is that the spring semester is almost over. I hope that we can all just get along with one another peacefully for just a few more weeks. And I'm asking for open-mindedness from ALL. Don't make assumptions and judgements just by the way things look.
~ENJOY YOUR WEEKEND~
May 1, 2004 1:06 AM
I would like to applaud our Brian Alston here. I think that you have expressed your opinions in a very clear and mannerly way, and have represented JJSE very positively.
There have been many comments made in retallion to statements said by college students about the students of JJSE being disruptive and disrespectful. It is true that these college students have no right to judge the entirety of the JJSE student body by a few individuals, but the these individuals still represent the school, nonetheless. The behavior that one exhibits makes the impression on the people that view it. It's very likely that we're all very good people on the inside, but if we all act like a bunch of no-good punks, how else could people view us? So what I'm trying to say is, if you don't want people to judge you and come to the conclusion that you're a punk, don't act like it. I think that if I were a student at SF state and saw the JJSE students acting as many have previously described, I would probably have the same impression. Also, the JJSE students don't only represent their own school, but they also represent high school students in general. If we want respect, we have to show it.
Perhaps it is true that those college students had once been "ignorant or disrespecful," but it is still no excuse for us to display that type of behavior. Being a kid is not a valid excuse for purpose misconduct, especially if one knows the style in which he or she is acting is disrespectful.
On the subject of online grammar:
For those who are criticizing the grammar of some of the students in this forum, we are high school students. Yes, some of the posts above have displayed the views and opinions of the high school students in quite an appalling manner, but some people expressed their feelings quite respectfully. Again, we ARE high school students--most with three years left of schooling to go. As for you college people, I could find grammatical mistakes in many of YOUR posts, also, so don't start being hypocrites now.
For the JJSE students, I know you all are very opinionated individuals, but try to look at things from the perspective of an SFSU student. Many are in a stage of intense academic studies, and all of a sudden comes this rowdy bunch of kids that "disrupt" the campus. How would you feel if you were them? If you don't give them anything else to judge apart from the rowdy, aggressive exterior, then there's nothing else they can base their opinions about you on. Actually, perhaps judge is the wrong word to use. No one can rightfully judge another person's character without knowing them personally, but opinions will always be made. If you'd like raise the public opinion of your school, then make a step towards that and act like the wonderful students you all are.
May 1, 2004 2:59 AM
kid makes bad choice
cops did cop job
kid sues cops
right or wrong
ignorant people see this
they get stupid
cops do cop job
they sue cops
rodney or watts
we all pay
we are broke because we have too many do-gooders patronizing the ignorant people. the ignorant people become boldly stupid and the cycle continues.
thank you do-gooders
because of you, all the ignorant people get to live together in housing projects; they get free money and property off of those who waste their time working; they have moving targets and live punch bags to practice on; and on and on. aren't you proud? please continue your humanitarian work. tell them ignorance you feel their pain. tell them you're with them.
May 1, 2004 3:02 AM
To Bryon Alston:
You seem like a well-spoken individual. I'm sure many of your peers are too. I don't know why you'd take offense to my post--I clearly wasn't addressing you; just your peers who have such egregious spelling. In my sarcasm I did not intend to insult these people to any further extent than to simply mock their posts. I was not passing judgment--at least, no more judgment than was warranted. I saw a lot of complaints about "not judging someone without knowing them"--but I was making no further judgments than that they were poor spellers. I don't really see how they can object to that. Additionally, I fully support the JJSE program. I think it could be a rewarding experience for you guys. I admit, I've encountered rowdy JJSE kids in the halls, but I don't think the program should be discontinued. (There are a lot of other SFSU students who are calling for that, but I am not among them.) Furthermore, your peers are saying "hey man, we're just high schoolers." That is just ridiculous. As a youngster, I always wanted to be regarded as an equal to adults, and that is how I treat all teenagers now that I am older. I think it would be more belittling to say, "Oh, they're JUST high schoolers," than to poke a little fun at their posts. Indeed, maybe the mature thing would have been to not make fun of the posts, but I was just having a little fun. Yes, getting kicks out of mocking someone's spelling maybe dorky, but I'm a dork (by most standards, I suppose). So lighten up.
P.S. What was so sycophantic about my earlier posts?
May 1, 2004 3:59 AM
While talking about the conflicts between the high school students and college students is important, let's stay focused on the issue at hand--the claim of police brutality. The conflicts SFSU students have had with JJSE students, although valid, have nothing to do with the police brutality eye witnesses claim. Whether or not JJSE high school students were loud at any point in the school year is not why the police were called in that day. They were called in about a fight. Did the police have some reason to think this 9th grader was involved in the fight? Is that why the police reacted the way they did? Did they think he could have been dangerous? Did he assault a police officer perhaps? Let's check the facts (based on eye witness accounts of SFSU faculty, SFSU students, and JJSE students) for answers:
FACT#1 The JJSE students were not fighting in front of Burk Hall when the police approached them.
FACT#2 The JJSE student according to numerous eye witness accounts (including a SFSU Professor, okay Assistant Professor, but hey everyone has got to work their way up right?) did NOT attack any officer.
FACT#3 The JJSE student who was handcuffed and beaten was NOT involved in ANY fight.
FACT #4 The police refused to take down statements from eye witnesses or even names of eye witnesses immediately after the JJSE student was removed from the scene.
FACT #5 The 9th grader did sustain injuries from the police incident.
FACT#6 (ok, this one isn't really a fact, it's more like "Things you should know #1") If you are a concerned SFSU student, the police work for us. They are not the enemy. They just need to be reminded that they should "protect and serve". But, the police, for some reason, don't like it too much when you complain to them. So, here's two places you could call that would have some influence with our police. 1) Associate Vice President of Student Affairs at 338-2916 to let the Vice President know how you feel and what you think the next steps should be...here's a couple of next steps I've been thinking about: a)reprimand the officers involved b)create procedure for police in dealing with the JJSE students 2) call the Office of Citizen's Complaints at 553-1407. Hopefully they will investigate this incident to determine any wrongdoing. Even if you were not there, but you feel like there needs to be a 3rd party investigation, you can file a complaint.
May 1, 2004 8:59 AM
I find this article interesting. For one thing, my friend goes to JJSE and told us in a church youth group of this cruel incident. Well, I think this is cruel. Racism can be a possiblity for the cause of this or I have read from other remarks in this board. However, there is no right for beating an innocent 15 year old person without excuse to.
And having a idiotic excuse to say that the student did not give information would be a great opportunity to beat someone. I oppose it badly of course. I find there are disadvantages and advantages to having high school students in an university.
However, I find some people here thinking that there is a superiority and inferior type of thing in this school. It's a learning experience, just like having 8 graders having a tour. We get a glimpse of what is going to happening after high school.
(Sorry for the off topic, I felt like saying that..)
Anyways, I am not a JJSE student but as my name said, I'm "just concerned." And reading many of the posting here, I also find this really idiotic where people complain cursing is wrong. To tell you the truth, people curse when you communicate. And don't lie because you have done it too.. Typing is not at all different from talking. I find vulgar language a way to express my feelings because it just helps sometimes..
Plus, a student is a student. Not all high schoolers act like rowdy 5 year olds. This is a great insult to us (I'm in high school too so I must say "us"). However, I must agree some may be rowdy 5 year olds but college students should agree that not all of you are great either. I'm not saying us high schoolers are great but also look in our perspective as well..
And I find the topic of the relationship between the students from JJSE and the college students from the university not what we talking about here.. Are we? But.. Can't you guys... Just get along..? (I sound really cheesy for that, don't I?)
May 1, 2004 9:14 AM
This juvenile ranting is tiresome. I have been at the university for years. In any conflict the first casualty is the truth. This is a prime example, in the years I've been here, there has never been this hype about brutality against the campus police so why now? an unfortunate incident happened, but no rational person could beleive that a police officer would intentionally set out to commit such a terrible thing..at noon...in the middle of campus...in front of a crowd. To the small school students I want to caution you, adults with their own agenda are using you as a tool to push their issues. you are being used just as people of color are used by the radicals in training on this campus. Historically, the facts are there, there is no history of police misconduct on this campus by university police officers on this campus...I invite you to research it. For those of you who want the university police off campus, what would you rather have, minimum wage security officers or SFPD?
May 1, 2004 1:06 PM
The kid who got beaten-was NOT!He's no angel. He talked back to the police officer, what did he expect, a shake on the hand for being a smart-ass? We can't keep using this excuse of race as a factor. This kid is looked at as someone who did no wrong, a hero almost. I repeat he's no angel, he even has a porbation officer-does that tell you anything????
May 1, 2004 3:00 PM
i know it's not an excuse for high school students to act like this,especially when they know that what their doing is wrong or whatever but thats not my point and what i'm trying to say is that these college students are assuming that EVERYSINGLE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT is this ignorant,disrespectful,loud,etc, that this high school its this loud, that they all curse this bad EVERYDAY,and that their all like this 24-7 etc and thats not true so they should seriously try and get to know us instead of making all these assumptions abouts us because it's wrong it's kind of like before you tell somebody something it has to be true and you have to know it for a fact and you can't just make it up because others is going to start believing in it. like what someone said in a post before that we are all underprivileged,that our teachers have no control over us and stuff thats not true i mean how do they know that for a fact? when they don't even know us i mean they don't come to our school and they don't sit in our classes how would they really know? AND THIS HAS BEEN SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN ALREADY BY US JJSE STUDENTS
May 1, 2004 3:21 PM
Okay well im one of those high school students.
I know what happened on tuesday was messed up. I mean what the police did was wrong and they should have never dont that. But why are some of you college students saying that hes bad and that ALL the high school students are bad? its not like you know us or him..so dont assume things. You dont know us and you dont know the things that happen to us. I know someone earlier said that you shouldnt judge us and that you should get to know us..but some of you college students say that you dont want to get to know us. well..you i dont care because i dont want to get to know you either! i dont want anything to do with you college students. i mean not all of you are so bad..but some of you just get on my NERVES..just reading some of your comments makes me not like you even more..some of you are supportive though..and thats good and thanks..but i just cant stand some of of you..even if i dont know you..which i DONT want to know you.
I mean some of you guys act like you own the whole school and that its all yours. well i dont see your names on the building!!! so just shut up and listen to what we have to say!!!
May 1, 2004 4:35 PM
As I was reading all your comments and the "story" as it was called, i see that everyone has different ways of seeing this problem. Don't take this the wrong way or nothing but I have nothing against no one and I am not a college student but a high school student. I don't want to get anyone mad so I just want to say one thing to the college students that think that high school students are just troubled. Really we not all bad, you were once our age why you have to say that we're so bad and troublemakers ? You don't even know us so don't judge us. I'm not saying your bad or nothing but everyone should be accepted for who they are not because they're old or young. haven't you see the news were you see adults doing crimes too ? High schooler is a label you put on us and we don't like that. Not one bit.
May 1, 2004 5:23 PM
to the young person who says "shut up and listen to what we have to say" take your own advice...listen to your elders, listen respectfully. We have been on this earth longer, we have already had the experiences you have yet to have. We can teach you and guide you if you will be taught, and in turn and in time we can be taught by you...
You do not honor your god with your hate, rage and defiance. We are all brothers and sisters no matter our color, no matter how we pray, no matter the work we do including the work of a police officer
To all, including my brothers and sisters in the police. Take a chance and say this phrase and welcome it into your hearts
"let there be peace, let it begin with me"
please lets all take a deep breath, throw our rage on the ground and walk away from it
With love to all
May 1, 2004 6:41 PM
You said to listen to you guys right and learn from you guys so i guess your kind of talking about sfsu students? if you are, then i mean yeah you guys have been through our age and you guys can teach us but what are you guys teaching us posting these comments?NOTHING you guys are disrespecting our school and assuming things about us(which has been said over and over again)like >students 4 peas<said we're 'juveniles' which is so untrue and HOW IRONIC as students 4 peas say,but i agree with you that we should listen to our elders because you guys have been through more but elders aren't always correct.Also at the same time i think that you guys should also listen to us on what we have to say i mean we're listeing to what you sfsu students have to say and you guys are just assuming things about us, are we suppose to learn that from you guys? since you guys are so called ELDERS and we can start assuming things about you guys? NO and i think that RESPECT IS EARNED NOT GIVEN since you said that we should respect you guys as elders so i think you guys as elders need to respect us first and be a role model.
May 1, 2004 7:42 PM
scratch that juveniles thing that i said above that it was untrue because i was thinking about another meaning but do replace that with ignorant students as other say which is untrue
May 1, 2004 9:56 PM
MAKE LOVE NOT WAR
May 2, 2004 9:08 AM
Why do campus cops have guns.... hmmmm
ok BRAIN SURGEONS....
Columbine? Santana? Have any of you heard of school shootings? Innocent student's lives taken by fools with agendas with guns.
Not too long ago, one of our own students was walking up Holloway when some drunk fools with guns pointed them at her. She ran and called the campus cops. Some time later, some fools who don't even go to SFSU had a fight up at the bus stop and one of them flashed a gun. They ran on campus and dumped that gat in a trash can outside the Business building.
And did you all read in the paper about the SSFE kids who had a fake gun and pointed it at one of our college students? He's lucky campus cops found him before his ass got shot.
8:27 a.m. BRANDISHING A WEAPON
Six juveniles, reported to be brandishing a firearm in Burk Hall, were released to their high school principal after officers determined the weapon to be a toy. The students are enrolled in the Small School for Equity, a high school located in Burk Hall."
So am I glad the campus cops have guns? DAMN STRAIGHT!
May 2, 2004 12:10 PM
to all you sfsu students who was telling us to keep the cursing down well i think that you should say it back to your own peers like perhaps to OH HELL NAW and to RESPECT US if you guys want respect THAN EARN it how do you expect us to respect you guys? if you guys aren't even respecting us
TO:oh hell naw
YOUR THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO BE QUIET don't be hating just because there are people out there who are standing up for us UNLIKE YOU and us kids don't need to be beaten, have you ever heard of CHILD ABUSE. you say OUR "demeanors Su*k" well so does yours from the way your writing in here all cursing and the lack of respect you have for our school and our students. i mean you don't even act like a college student from the way i see it.YES IT IS TRUE ABOUT >FREEDOM OF SPEECH>>TOO BAD<<<
i'm sorry about the lang. but you should be sorry too.
May 2, 2004 1:13 PM
OH HELL NAW!!!!!!!
HE IS A RETARD!!!!!
OH HELL YEAH!!!!!!!
For a person your age (who knows how old you are) you should act more mature. We are just children trying to make our way through a new experiment with the schools. We are just trying to get through school and even with all your hating, we'll deal with it. But you just whine and complain. I don't see any of you having the balls to come up to the school and say it in our faces. I think you college haters out there are just trying to put some fear into the younger generation. You fear us for our potential. You fear us because soon enough, we will surpass you, the older generation. You are all afraid to be pushed aside by the newcomers. I don't blame any of you, but STOP WHINING ABOUT IT AND JUST DEAL WITH IT!!!!! I'm tired of being pushed around by you self-deemed 'elders.' Every kid my age got enough shit in their life as it is. With all your whining and complaining it just gets worse. You people should rean this novel called, 'Battle Royal.' This book shows how children as young as 12 fight against the system. Learn something.
May 2, 2004 3:23 PM
I really don't know what to say to you people that are not already said before. I've been keeping up with all the comments on this page ever since the article was posted. I noticed that us JJSE students have already stepped up to a more mature level than before in dealing with this incident but the SFSU students seem to be doing the opposite. Isn't that IRONIC? We've actually taken your advice to be mature and took the cussing down in order to get some respect from you guys.
To oh hell naw: Ironically, we ARE acting more mature but you don't seem to care either way. And FYI, if it wasn't for our parents' taxes, do you think that all the programs at SFSU can be provided for you? Don't be hating because you can't afford to go to SFSU. You can always get your education at CCSF for just $18/unit. Anyways, so what if the UPD helped you get into your car when you got locked outside? It just proves your stupidity and them having nothing else better to do than help idiots like you (wasting our tax dollars). Once again, you're just ignorant. From what i saw, you don't seem to be respecting us for who we are even if we're acting like it. And I agree with Martin, if you really have that much problem with us, then DO something about it! All you do here is just trash-talking to us....don't you think it's really low of you to do so? I personally wish YOU really DO hurry and graduate out of SFSU and HOPE YOU ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING IN LIFE.
To ALL OUR SFSU SUPPORTERS: Thank you once again for your understanding and treating us equally.
May 2, 2004 3:33 PM
for the post above before martin
at the last part i meant that yes there is the right to freedom of speech so i'm going to say the same to oh hell naw as oh hell naw said to us IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT I WROTE THEN TOO BAD
AND ALSO I AGREE WITH CANDY
May 2, 2004 4:08 PM
TO: "ah hell nah..." (angry white dude?)
Wow, you are one bitter fool. You apparently haven't learned anything worthy of a real conversation about the issues on this webpage. The JJSE students do a better job than you. Congrats to them. I hope you graduate too, and hopefully before then or next time you're back in an educational institution you'll learn more than a simplistic mainstream dichotomy between "liberal" (the ones who brought you free speech, sucker) and the way you see everything in your own SELFISH, SEXIST, RACIST world. You sure are good at appropriating youth of color lingo, though, for as much as you HATE on them.
We won't call you "ignorant." Good job, you did it yourself!
Columbine, Santana, huh? How about Iraq, weapons of mass destruction? This list becomes endless. But how about outlawing guns and rifles, or at least the types used in Columbine? You're sounding like one of those gun-crazed militia who hunts duck with M16 rifles, do guns make you feel safer? Do yourself a favor, watch BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE (no, really, do)!! There is a gun and violence-crazed culture traditional in this country, what do you expect if guns are so available? But none of the crimes you reported were the CSU piggies able to get there with guns any quicker than SFPD would have, and there are no weapons of mass destruction at SFSU, so get with it. Regardless, police brutality did occur.
JJSE students, great posts! You're so smart, you should be in college classes already.
May 2, 2004 6:58 PM
To all my classmates~~~
someone should print out this comments and show them to our teachers. Who knows? Something good might come out of it.
To all you JJSE haters~~~
Are you all white? I wouldn't be surprised. Stop hating on us high schoolers.
I thank you. You are currently JJSE's biggest supporter. Thank you very, very much.
May 2, 2004 7:20 PM
Actually, I am NOT a gun lover. I am very anti-gun, and I despise hunting unless it is necessary to sustain oneself or one's community. But the reality of this country and our culture, unfortunately, is that it is infused with guns and gun violence. I, and no one else, can change the 2nd amendment. I am a proponent of gun control, and stiffer penalties for those who violate gun laws.
But taking guns away from the police, or assuming they love them, doesn't change the fact that they're necessary on Campus, and for police in our society.
I take offense that you refer to police officers as "piggies". Name-calling shows a certain ignorance and immaturity.
And as for your comment about SFPD? Why don't you approach any officer in the SFPD and ask them where Burk Hall is? I'm sure they'd be the first ones to say they didn't know, they didn't care, and if they HAD to go there, they'd be taking kids to juvenile hall right and left instead of releasing them to your school staff like the University cops have done a bunch of times.
Someday when you've really lived as an adult, you'll understand all these things better. I hope you get a chance to go to college and learn to see many points of view and that everyone thinks differently, and everyone deserves a chance in this world not to be judged by their appearance or what they do for a living.
Love is stronger than hate.
(have you seen those banners around campus?)
May 2, 2004 7:34 PM
Trust me when i say this. Some of us cannot wait to grow up.
May 2, 2004 7:44 PM
fuken bitchass police when he didnt do anything then he didnt do anything jesus didnt have to hit him that hard morons
i agree with martin print this out send it in to different schools also
stfu!!! nobody wants to hear anything from u so there -.-
May 2, 2004 8:54 PM
I'm sorry to say this, but if anything starts up between State and JJSE, I'm gonna have to be the scapegoat. Those last two post are my friends from other schools and are just voicing their opinions. However, if any of my classmates think something is going to start, blame it on me. I have nothing to lose.
May 3, 2004 12:38 AM
"U dun need 2 kno"
Is this kid joking?
Other JJSE kids: you've been one-upped.
P.S. Without addressing the particulars of this case, I will say that if a perp grabs a cop by his shirt the cop is well within his right to take him down. Not to beat him up, of course, but to simply take him down, subdue him, and cuf him. It's not a pleasant experience, and I imagine a lot of the witnesses had not before seen a cop take anybody down at close range, thus augmenting their shock.
May 3, 2004 3:31 AM
I'm glad we agree on gun control. Now I feel safer than last time you seemed to be justifying guns. Whew!
As for SFPD, they're already familiar with the area and schools they patrol. If you call them, tell them where Burk Hall is. University campuses rarely prove the need for guns. You don't see high school hall monitors with guns, do ya?
As for the 2nd Amendment, it is irrelevant now. The only King George we'd need to worry about is Jr. Sadly, the only fools who pride themselves in the 2nd today tend to be the gun loving maniacs (i.e., militias, NRA fools, etc, who were still sympathizing blowing up federal buildings before 9/11) who ironically love their fuhrer Bush Jr. and his policies of illegal detainments, war and destruction against Arabs and Muslims (racism, hello?). It's not 1776 English Colonial time. This liberalization of guns only fueled the rage to own guns, then creating vigilantes and now modern police. The culture of violence we both seem to agree on didn't come from the movies.
Did you know that the first instance of Police in this continent were slave bounty hunters?? Look it up, we got a big library at SFSU. Did you know that there are now MORE BLACK MEN IN PRISON THAN IN COLLEGE!? If you can't see the connection of police as a method to institutionally oppress people of color in this country, then you are sadly lost in academia or have had enough privilege to never deal with any of this.
The police occassionally will do the heroic thing of saving lives and protecting us from crime, no doubt, and God bless them when they do that. Unfortunately in my life, and in my community, they have proven to be institutionalized mechanisms of control--consistently jailing us, criminalizing us, physically and emotionally violating us--much more so. Therefore, I will call them pigs. THAT IS A POLITICAL STATEMENT (see Black Panthers, see Free Speech). It ain't name-calling. I do it in the context of police brutality and have the right to express my feeling of disgust at their oppressive actions.
BTW, I am an adult and a student on this campus. I have studied and done community work around police brutality issues. I'm grateful for schools like this, where there are faculty and students who Question and Challenge what is wrong and oppressive.
May 3, 2004 2:09 PM
"If you can't see the connection of police as a method to institutionally oppress people of color in this country, then you are sadly lost in academia or have had enough privilege to never deal with any of this."
I wouldn't say that "oppression of people of color" is inherent within the institution of law enforcement, or that it DIRECTLY produces it. It's more likely a product of the racist views of individual policemen. And I think it's important to understand that policemen are individuals, and not a collective body sharing the same views and opinions, or behaving in the exact same manner. Demonizing all law enforcement officials because of the acts of individuals is as pernicious as stereotyping any racial group based on the actions of some; moreover, it doesn't help police/public relations whatsoever.
May 3, 2004 3:38 PM
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I'm sorry, but the whole ''racism is individual'' arguement is played out, it ended by the 1960's. You're right, there are prejudist cops. However, Racism is Prejudism backed by Power, and that is insitutional oppression. I am not "demonizing all law enforcement officials," but if it was so simple to identify and get rid of the individual racist and sexist cops all the time, there wouldn't be bad "police/public" relations--but that is ALL there ever is. No cop gets fired unless they're filmed beating someone and it's playe don television (i.e., Inglewood). Witnesses aren't even enough these days.
Here's a link the pigs wouldn't want you to see: http://www.indybay.org/police
And even you and the police can participate in this forum.
May 3, 2004 4:32 PM
I have read all of the messages by both clearly defined sides, and have only been able to locate a few unbiased messages. First and foremost, keep an open mind. Secondly if you werent there, dont comment. I was there and can tell you the following.
I have been attenting SFSU for the last few years. Since the onset of this "high school", there has been nothing but problems. From an earlier post, there have over a dozen specific incidents involving this program. Why is that? Maybe its because these kids are unsupervised and running rampant through our school. If everyone keeps refering to the teenager as a "helpless child" then he should of been supervised like one.
Facts are that there have past incidents with these kids involving guns, fighting, and vandalism. These are researchable facts. RESEARCHABLE...take note GOLDEN GATE EXPRESS EDITOR. Additonally, the "helpless child" did grab the officer by the shirt. If that were me, the same outcame would have been served.
Respect is a valuable virtue. Teach it to those "children" so that they may grow up to be upstanding adults. Not ones who wish, or should i say SHOUT, that Police deserved to be shot. The day you as an INNOCENT CITIZEN gets robbed, raped, or shot....the first people to come to your assistance are the POLICE...Universtiy POLICE. Thank You to all those who do a THANKLESS job...
May 3, 2004 10:38 PM
"theres also an amendmant that gives us the right to bare arms, but you dont see ppl walking down the street holding guns..."
Because states have the right to limit possession when the citizens vote for it. California issues conceal/carry permits under special conditions--rarely can the average joe get one. Go to other states, and you might see people walking around with their pieces.
May 4, 2004 11:18 AM
I have read most of the comments of the high school students and I would like to offer a reply. You say that you are all just kids and we adults should remember what that was like. That is true, however, that is not a valid excuse. You say that you want to be taken seriously and that you deserve to be here. Well then, act like it. I remember being a kid but I also remember my parents teaching me appropriate behavior, manners, etiquette, and poise. You are kids but you should also know how to conduct yourselves in a mature manner. Secondly, foul language, per se, is not the problem. The adults who wrote about more appropriate language were only trying to help you, not put you down. In this world you have to know how to express yourself in a way that will make your voices heard. When the powers that be hear cursing and rants of incoherence their ears shut down. Police misconduct is way too important of an issue for there to a be a lack of sound, well-thought, and clearly expressed arguments. Ya dig?
May 4, 2004 3:26 PM
In fact, I will say we (high schoolers) want to be taken seriously. I just want everyone to stop arguing and just agree on something. For now, all we can agree on is that a high school student was injured by the police.
May 4, 2004 3:45 PM
i think this is rediculous, the back and forth bickering.
and bryon alston is an annoying pansy. you should be smacked.
May 5, 2004 2:43 PM
the kid was being a punk so he got beat down by some cops. i've been beaten down by cops before and it was because i deserved it for resisting arrest. if your going to act like an animal, expect to be treated like one..
May 5, 2004 10:26 PM
Sad.........just sad....... I agree. This bickering is pointless. Let's just stop. We all have better things to do...
May 6, 2004 2:01 PM
This is dumb. Why do we have a High School on Campus??? Those wannabe teachers should go to their school campus to make "a change" on those students. This is a university...!!..We cannot allow fighting on this campus...where do you think we are??? Those are high-risk teens...do bring them to this university you stupid crap!!!!!!!
May 11, 2004 5:09 PM
Ms. spell check- if you want me to stop posting that's fine! i dare you to find a way to stop me!!!!! IT'S THE FREEDOM OF PRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 31, 2004 9:22 PM
Man! the other collage students need to just chill out for a freakin moment!!
very annoyed- dude! chill out man! they were invited here so just let them be! if you've got a problem with it then ur gonna have to deal it with it! you can't just go and kick their ass around that. it's bullshit right there! since ur older then them teach them what needs to be done. Don't go bullshiting around like that.
to all JJSE students- i know that we the SFSU students are givng you guys a hard time and bitchin about you guys but please don't be mad at them. Some of us are actully rooting for you guys. Some of us (like me) actually want you high school students to stay here. The other collage students, they just need to chill out and learn from some people that's younger then them I mean older people aren't always right you know. Just because we are older then you doesn't mean we know everything. By all means you youngersters might know more stuff then we do now a days.
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